Airbus still on the outlook.

[phakeflyer]

Figured that this might be the place to post questions about the recent closing of the Airbus job posting thread requested by Airbus HR. Even Airbus must have realized that this is like kicking a hornets nest to Sim Tech's. This site is for Sim tech's and if companies like Airbus and others can't take the heat, then maybe they should do something about their reputation. Actions such as requesting that the thread be closed because it reflects poorly (or accurately) of them can only be considered as a desperate attempt to conceal problems that should be addressed and corrected. Maybe that thread can continue here. At least until Airbus requests that this one stop too.angryf:

[guest]

ssssshhhhhh, quiet, someone is listening..................what was that???.............................i gotta go.........

[markovol]

Hey guys this is a great place to vent the only thing to remember is that Andy has to legally cover his ass or this site could be shutdown.

Please continue biggrin:

[guest]

i am signing on as guest, because i know both parties in this airbus thing. as far as free speech goes, thank the founding fathers. just remember, you opinion is yours, but be careful, as, if you name names or claim to represent others interests you can bring much trouble for you and your fellow techs.
this is a sticky situation, and i for one don't want andy to suffer over a management vs tech's union difference of opinion. airbus probably feels that the company public image is at stake. the other side thinks the public has a right to know their side. personally if the company wants to post jobs on free access web sites, then others should be free to remark. i don't know how the company can control what goes on in ciber space, but let's not put andy in a position he has to get involved in it. i strongly recommend that you don't log on to this site from work, especially if you work for airbus right now. as all us geeks know there are way's to monitor who/when/where the company computer is used and by whom. something must not be perfect in that shop, as present and previous techs from there have access to this site, and the comments are interesting, to say the least. to the tech brothers at airbus, fight the good fight, stand tall and stick to your guns.

[phakeflyer]

I agree strongly with not putting Andy in a compromising position and if he feels that this discussion is over, please feel free to close this thread as well and that should be taken as "nuff said" by everyone. I do think that Airbus's actions to shut down the thread vs respond to the allegations was pretty chicken s__t as everyone should realize that this site is a valuable tool for both tech's and management. Responses on different threads have come from both sides usually resulting in a pretty lively conversation.

[Pioneer]

Airbus may have close their post on this forum but it looks like their still in the market for some simulator techicians.

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?psa=1&sc_extcmp=JS_JobAlert_Title&Job_DID=J3H6NW62N1DYMJFR94J&ipath=PS

It looks like they are trying to hide the fact its a simulator techician job, pretty fun I would think twice about this company!

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TECHNICIAN Simulator Maintenance Technician Airbus North America is looking for Simulator Maintenance Technicians for its TRAINING CENTER in Miami Springs. The ideal candidate has Associates Degree in Engineering or related field. 3 or more years of experience maintaining flight simulators to FAA level D requirements. Good customer relation skills. Able to work in a team environment. Required to work rotating shifts. We offer an outstanding benefits package. Interested candidates should send their resume, with salary requirements, to: Airbus North America Training Center ATTN: Aleida Hernandez HR Manager 4355 NW 36th Street Miami Springs, FL, 33166 FAX: (305) 871-4649 EOE

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[guest]

I heard the union voted down over $29 an hour. Good luck all, if you get it or more I may apply. It looks like Airbus is at least a steady growing company ulike ours where we have had 2 cuts in pay and a scary future scared:

[Simmi]

Well, for $29ph - I may have applied myself. I finished my job last week just up the road at around that and with fewer benefits to boot.

Any new starters, good luck. If you are out of town, here's what you'll find: it's now Miami's high season and accommodation is pretty scarce and pretty pricey. It is so bad, that you have to travel quite a way out of the city to get something affordable for the pay. I guess that the end of April is a good time to start a job in Miami, it's just about at the end of High season and accommodation becomes available.

Add to this that 3 major storms went through the area recently and the accommodation shortage is made worse by all the displaced people in the area.

Once again, if you are from out of town, ensure you can get your accommodation tied up into your T's and C's and good luck finding somewhere because right now, it's damn near impossible. purplex:

J.

[guest]

didn' "vote down $29ph, voted down no confidence in contract. lost annual profit sharing, bonus's which every other employee gets, and a few other nasties. with airbus besting the competition 3 yrs running, posting record profit, comparing itself to boeing for competition, we thought we could do better.
go figure, french company doing big buisiness in the usa, 3/4 of the crew are vets, i guess we didn't realize how cheap we are to them. oh, well maybe it will be better at my next job.

[guest]

P.S. the previous guest missed a few points, the 29ph is the top of scale, there is a 9 step set up. if you come in step 1, it takes 9 years to get to 29ph. might be one reason they voted it down. boeings top of scale down the same street is 32ph. somp'n ta chew on eh?

[guest]

Every shop has a scale pay range. I am sure the union has a clause that allows them to hire at any rate based on skills, education, experience. I have worked in 2 union shops and they never hired at the bottom scale. Unless they only want people out of school but were are you gonna find that?

[guest]

Boeing paying 32h for sim techs? Does anyone have pay or benefit info on Alteon? I do not see them listed on the payscale page, would be interesting to have them listed. Airbus probably can't pay as much, spent too much on that spruce goose. The benefits look interesting though, 4 weeks vacation and 13 holidays to start. I guess they spend alot of time fishing and on the beach down there.

[guest]

in a market that ranks 38% higher living expense than the US average, good luck finding a place to live without a contract raise. i saw online when the airbus add came on the first time from the herald that the average home in dade/broward is 450,000.00 i'm sure there are places to live that cost less, but an internet real-estate search came up with 20-30- miles away, 2bd/1&1/2 bath condo going for 195-200,000. tuff to make unless your partner makes 35-40,000 a year to help. i think i'll stay where i am. less than 29ph, but averages out better cause my living expences are way less.
got friends down there tho, and if ya like salt water fishin', go for it. buy a 20 ft sail boat and pay the dock fees. maybe it's cheaper that way.

[guest]

38%, 450k 20mi, blah blah are you a the chamber of commerce or a grease monkey like usnutkick: but I agree punks and sissys should stay out of S.FLA. I am working for less than that right now and having the time of my life...what is the contact info there???????????????????

And it sounds to me like the only thing to worry about is getting stuck on a shift with a bitter negative ^%$#

PS the fishing and weather are world class!

[guest]

let me guess, pan-am, aeorserv or flight safety? could be why you consider yourself a grease monkey. i work at a south-florida sim shop where we're "called" sim techs, at least to our faces!!!

[Pioneer]

What's up with all of the guest post? Nobody memebers of this forum? Or does Airbus go after it's employees like Alteon/Boeing does? I know I was fired for my post on this forum. Could not be happy now and I'm working in Miami and making more then I did at Alteon arms:

[guest]

pioneer, you could not be more right. there was quite a ka-boom after all the stuff that got on to their job posting. friends there told me it was getting hot for a while. i'm too well known there, so i hide behind the guest log in so my bro's there don't get anymore heat.

[guest]

I don't post to sim tech online that much but I think the post against Airbus, a company I work for have been one sided. I am a technician there. the people posting the trash I am guessing are the same few that complain all day and do as little as possible here. Even when things are going good they find something to stir up or some false rumor to start. The shop and relationship with are managers is not hostile in any way, we talk daily with management, the fight for most has been pay and with the higher ups involved in the contract. The work is the same as any shop, simulator breaks we fix it. The shop is not perfect but I enjoy working here. I have more of a problem with the few negative techs then the managers. They are usually positive to work with at least. I do think we should get more money and that the company not agreeing to offer us back pay is wrong. The latest offer of 29.40 an hour is not bad, we just want the back pay (if management is reading this, hint hint). Otherwise Airbus is a good company, we have never had a layoff, the work is not that stressful, nice offices, pleanty of money for parts and tools and I would have a hard time giving up my 4 weeks vacation time.

The other side....

[guest]

Who IS this? a happy sim tech, no way, we always want more, like the old saying goes, he who dies with the most toys, wins.

[The Pirate]

PLEASE, tell me where to send resume' for the job that pays 8.00 more than airbus. i might even clean toilets for that kind of payraise.

[mbushaw]

Remember guys, we need to be one against management or we fall.

Man, that's just twisted. Get out of wherever you are, you are doing no-one, you or the company any good. Go work somewhere where management works to keep everyone in the loop, so everyone understands, and shares in, the success of the company. Anything less and you become a bitter old man regardless of what the company has given you.

[nastyb]

Where does Mbushaw work that management works to keep everyone in the loop? Union shop? Non-union shop? Can't recall the last time that management truthfully kept everyone in the loop......scratchch

[The Pirate]

just to keep you happy, i'm not old!!!! and i've been told i don't taste bitter,just a little sour!!!
AAARRRR!!!!!
lighten up, remember the old managememt versus worker ditty from Murphy's law;

"it's like a tree full of monkey's, the monkeys that climb further up in the tree they look down and see more and more smiling monkey's. the farther down the tree the monkey goes, all he see's when he looks up is more and more a#holes!!!"

it's managements job to do what they can to give the company the sense that all is well and everyone is happy happy fun candy all the time. it's our job to fix and lubricate the equipment they buy, make it work, and rage against the system when it needs it.

[Axeman]

"it's like a tree full of monkey's, the monkeys that climb further up in the tree they look down and see more and more smiling monkey's. the farther down the tree the monkey goes, all he see's when he looks up is more and more a#holes!!!"

jester:

Never heard that one!! That's pretty funny! :biggrin:

[guest]

If it isn?t Boeing, Pioneer isn?t going.

[guest]

Isn't Airbus and CAE partners in training now with shared training centers world wide? Can you transfer between the two?

Hopefully it goes better then the Alteon and Flight Safety deal cloud:

[guest]

Figured that this might be the place to post questions about the recent closing of the Airbus job posting thread requested by Airbus HR. Even Airbus must have realized that this is like kicking a hornets nest to Sim Tech's. This site is for Sim tech's and if companies like Airbus and others can't take the heat, then maybe they should do something about their reputation. Actions such as requesting that the thread be closed because it reflects poorly (or accurately) of them can only be considered as a desperate attempt to conceal problems that should be addressed and corrected. Maybe that thread can continue here. At least until Airbus requests that this one stop too.angryf:

Airbus is watching you and me boggle: or did I just forget my paranoia medication today!!

[The Pirate]

since the first big frackass about the original responses to the airbus job announcment, management cruises this site on a regular basis.

[guest]

PLEASE, tell me where to send resume' for the job that pays 8.00 more than airbus. i might even clean toilets for that kind of payraise.

Pirate, we do have openings.

If you would like to apply for a position please e-mail your resume to vincent@<hidden> (vincent@<hidden>).

Thanks you for your interest

[nastyb]

If mangement cruises this site on a regular basis, isn't that a conflict of using the employer's computer for personal use?

[JarHead]

If mangement cruises this site on a regular basis, isn't that a conflict of using the employer's computer for personal use?

Management never abuses any privilege.
They are elevated to 'God State' upon employment / promotion.

[JarHead]

Man, that's just twisted. Get out of wherever you are, you are doing no-one, you or the company any good. Go work somewhere where management works to keep everyone in the loop, so everyone understands, and shares in, the success of the company. Anything less and you become a bitter old man regardless of what the company has given you.

Say what? "Go work somewhere where management works to keep everyone in the loop". That type of company ceased to exist in this industry many years ago.
I'm just a ""bitter old man"" that has been here for a very long time.cuss:

p.s. nastyb was curious about where you have worked. So am I.

[reprob8]

Management never abuses any privilege.
They are elevated to 'God State' upon employment / promotion.


And NWA senior management can walk on water...











Afterall, shit floats.

[guest]

VOTE FOR PEDRO! sadwavey:

[JimLahey]

Je ne sais pas?

[guest]

je ne travaille pas pour l'Airbus

mais les qualifications ils sont tr?s importants

dunce:

[The Pirate]

sorry dudes, i'll have to get the previous enries translated, ain't ben reading them french prints as long as ya'll.
bon jour'
bon voyage'
bon bon
soup de jour'

[guest]

that is an interesting list of skills you have accumulated, which qualifies you to work at pretty much any shop in the world. i'm sure your proud. so how long have you worked at airbus?

The question is, how long did I work for Airbus.

[2cold4me]

And NWA senior management can walk on water...











Afterall, shit floats.


lolup: HA! HA! HA! HA!

[guest]

2cold, the answer is hmmm welll, no ,not exactly, we ain't going on strike, and i dought we'll file for chapter anything, but the rest you can judge for yourself, but we 're still interviewing, wanna apply?

[guest]

to guest post just before 2cold4me,

o.k, i'll bite, how long? too long, not long enough, we don't wanna know, you forgot the punch line.

[guest]

Airbus could use two or three more websurfing techs with skillz star:

[guest]

Sooo, What I get from this whole thread is that unless I want to work for another NWA stay away from Airbus... Does that pretty much sum it up?
huh4:

I don't know what it is like at NWA, I could only guess based on the posts too, we certainly wish all at NWA the best. Airbus is a walk in the park. Don't believe anything else. It is not perfect and there is always people with opinions on how things should be. The work is not high stress, management is not too strict they mostly leave you alone to work, the contract is settled, they have a no layoff policy (French company), great benefits, the biggest complainers on this site are the ones that would complain anywhere they worked or they simply have personal issues. We are short on people here, I am tired of the OT so I hope we get some replacements soon. :biggrin:

[guest]

You could always come to our screwed up shop here at Continental Airlines. They will pay you really well here. Everyone starts at a fabulous $42K a year. It doesn't matter whether you have 5 years experience or 25 years experience. Then it will only take you 12 years to hit top of scale. The probation is only a year long. You will be on mid night shift for ever. You get a week vacation. Also, the benefits are very affordable, for a family it is about $350 a month. You do get flight benefits but there isn't an empty seat to be found; however we are losing tons of money. Management here doesn't give a darn about you either. We haven't had a pay raise in over 5 years. The airlines used to be the place to work, not anymore.

So everyone from Airbus please send those resumes.biggrin:

[The Pirate]

last guest, we are still interviewing, send in a resume, we still need tech's,
by the way, you may be able to negotiate some or all of the mooving!!!

[mbushaw]

Say what? "Go work somewhere where management works to keep everyone in the loop". That type of company ceased to exist in this industry many years ago.

Sorry it took so long to get back to this thread.
I'm in management, so of course I believe everyone here is in the loop! (All I see is smiling monkey faces!) 'Here' is SimProUSA, in Nevada. But there are other shops that do a good job. You probably won't find it in a company that has over 200 employees. That means your pay may not be up to Big Airline standards (although that is a thing in the past for many), your benefits also won't be as good. Retirement? better win the lotto! But that's some of the trade-offs you make if you really want to be involved with what is happening on a day-to-day basis.

For those of you 'stuck' in a bad shop, Don't waste your time fighting management; they win most of the time. Vote with your feet. If current management is unable to keep a workforce together they will be replaced (eventually). That is the only effective way that I know of to bring about change.
If you say you can't leave because you can't afford to go; maybe your pay isn't so bad after all? Can't leave because your kids are in school; isn't it nice to be able to live and work in that city? Can't leave because you'd lose your retirement; if the retirement's that good, stay on and be happy that you have it! But if you are unhappy where you are, GET OUT, it's not worth your time to be somewhere that makes you unhappy. Life's too short.

[guest]

I second MBUSHAW comments. Besides changing companies, you could change careers too. Or perform similar work in a different industry. Go back to school, start a business, buy a boat and charter fishing tours. From reading the posts it appears that the Airbus techs big complaint is the housing costs in Miami as if it is Airbus's fault. Those techs that bought homes and had their value double the past few years should not have any complaints. I also see that Miami is not even close to be the most expensive city, see the link

http://www.nhc.org/index/News-PR-LeastAffordableCities-080905

Maybe the French spoil their technicians, too much free wine and vacations!!
beerchug:

[JimLahey]

How does a job post turn into a bitch session? Pirate stop the bitchin and carry on. You sound like you have great experience in simulation, however your posts might deter good techs from considering the job. Every place you have to go to and clock in is shit. Have you ever been management? I am assuming you have with your quals?? But I have been management and we get treated worst then the techs. Remember that, value your job. I got suckered into a lead position as an engineer, now I gotta deal with executives. Which makes me wanna go back to being a Tech I at expensive Jersey. Gotta put my 2 cents in, because this is just ridiculous. Apply or dont apply, you all are grown ups.screwy:

[guest]

sadwavey: " if the door is open, i am leaving. if the door is closed, i left"

I am sure Airbus will miss their Piratestress: NOT!!!

[guest]

I read a few post back that the Airbus contract was settled. Is it settled and if so what did they settle for? Our company is probably going to loose the contract and if Airbus is hiring i may throw my ring in the hat and give it a try. Did they get the 29 an hour mentioned? The pay page does not show any change. Do you bid shifts or rotate? Do they promote within?

I used the guest sign in since I do not want my present employer to know. I figured there is probably Airbus and even Airbus managers trolling these posts that can answer.

Thanks

[guest]

I read a few post back that the Airbus contract was settled. Is it settled and if so what did they settle for? Our company is probably going to loose the contract and if Airbus is hiring i may throw my ring in the hat and give it a try. Did they get the 29 an hour mentioned? The pay page does not show any change. Do you bid shifts or rotate? Do they promote within?

I used the guest sign in since I do not want my present employer to know. I figured there is probably Airbus and even Airbus managers trolling these posts that can answer.

Thanks
be glad to have ya, send in the resume. still looking for 1-2 techs contract is a done deal. nobody knows on either side what the scales are, or what we got, or what we get, but the one thing we do know, is a little more than last year and the crap is over till 2008.
give the pirate a break, they broke his rose colored glasses, and he spoke out too loudly during contract time. he'll be back to his old sweet self when we see the new pay on our next check.
im guesting too, cause your right, managers from several shops cruise here regularly. 3 have said so to my face. they use it to see what's blowing in the wind.

[guest]

be glad to have ya, send in the resume. still looking for 1-2 techs contract is a done deal. nobody knows on either side what the scales are, or what we got, or what we get, but the one thing we do know, is a little more than last year and the crap is over till 2008.
give the pirate a break, they broke his rose colored glasses, and he spoke out too loudly during contract time. he'll be back to his old sweet self when we see the new pay on our next check.
im guesting too, cause your right, managers from several shops cruise here regularly. 3 have said so to my face. they use it to see what's blowing in the wind.
i forgot, rotate every 4 months, every effort is used to promote from within, in 8 years, only 2 department heads have come from out side, and no sim shop manager has ever been from outside our shop.
scale runs from 1-9, step 1 being pretty much apprentice plus, no one here is less than step 4. just like anyother shop, everyone complains about something sometime, but i've had worse jobs. miami ain't bad if you look really hard and don't mind a commute, there are places to live, but the rumors are true, it cost more to live here than say, mountain home idaho, or OKC, but not as bad as san fransisco, la,sab diego, ny, nj, etc.
hope to see you soon, it would be nice to get back to full capacity again and everyone get regular days off, with a little less O.T.
good luck.

[The Pirate]

Like the pirate?headscrat
still guessing who you are. remember, if your logged on from work, airbus policy is no non work related sites on company computers.

[guest]

I noticed that Pirate always has to have the last word on this thread. He must be the official Airbus spokesman. blahblah:

[The Pirate]

I noticed that Pirate always has to have the last word on this thread. He must be the official Airbus spokesman. blahblah:
good to hear from you again. i guess now i have a secrect friend. i just think it's cool how your screen name is guest, its so, so, so unimaginative, come on, sign in, break the mold, be creative. see ya at work!
as you speak for yourself, so do i, i comment, i'm no ones spokesperson, i speak only for myself. as often as i can, as this forum is for simtech, to simtechs by simtechs to let off steam, make comments, say things that we can't at work, it's a good thing.

[andy]

Good point - I'll try and combine it with the other one.

[guest]

The Pirate is right, these boards are a great place to speak our minds and get it out. We like the pirate, we just like to poke at times too and these Airbus post have been entertaining. You should know that I have only posted a few, there are others.

Grease Monkeys Rule lolhit:

[The Pirate]

no harm, no foul.

[guest]

O.K., so if the high ups ant NWA walk on water, I don?t know how to describe what someone that is not a tech/grease monkey, at Airbus can walk on if they look good in tight pants, and have big? you get the picture. People that are not techs/grease monkeys walk on water just to get to them.
As far as people at the shop that do nothing but bitch, maybe you should take a look at the fact that some people do twice the work as other people that work at the shop, and can?t get paid what they are worth, while the people at the top of the pay scale sit on their butt and do nothing, but get credit for what other people do. I guess that is where the ass kissing comes into play for the job description.
And now the talk with the feet comment, that already happened, guess what, the company could care less. They gave the techs during that time a chunk of change so they were happy, and it will probably happen again in the near future. But hey, the French always throw money at the Americans to take care of their problems.
And lastly before this comment gets blasted to holly hell? a commute to work to find some place affordable to live, yep that is true, but what you did not hear is that you need to live well north of Palm Beach county is another thing. By the way north of Palm Beach county you are looking at well over a three and a half hour drive, at the minimum, considering the traffic, and the stupidity that people drive with, the time might just be a little bit more? but as we?ve been told you can buy a nice house down here if you make only thirty thousand a year. Of course you?ll spend three times that amount on ammo, and take those four weeks vacation the first day you get down here to defend it for a house you can afford at that price. But hey, according to other people on this thread, I?m just a bitching, do-nothing, good for nothing, not doing my job, worthless tech. So what am I bitching for?

[The Pirate]

hey, i'm the bitter, bitchy one, remember !!! i'll let you look over my fence, but you can't come in!!
guess i ain't the only unhappy one! i feel like tom hanks when he found wilson!!!

[The Pirate]

The Pirate is right, these boards are a great place to speak our minds and get it out. We like the pirate, we just like to poke at times too and these Airbus post have been entertaining. You should know that I have only posted a few, there are others.

Grease Monkeys Rule lolhit:

your right, and not too many like to pick more than me, it's just from the inside, it's getting very exhausting. we got a contract and they told us today the dude got hired and is on the way. so one shift gets back to semi-normal. i really hope he works into the shop quick, tho, cause a lot of techs want one day weekends back and not have to find o.t. coverage just to go on vacation.
hears hopin'
more interviews next couple a days, i know the secret name of one, and i really hope they hire this one, good fit, good tech, works hard, been there done that, got the coffe cups.
fingers crossed.

[Simmi]

more interviews next couple a days, i know the secret name of one, and i really hope they hire this one

I'd really like to know how you got to know of this one - unless your suckin up to management, or you are management - how on earth could you possibly know given management don't keep you in the loop? buttkick:
If it were me, I would be a little pissed at the knowledge that some or all of my details were being discussed before even making the interview or getting the offer.

It happens not to be me in this instance since I apparently don't have all the "coffe" cups.

J.

[The Pirate]

no sucking involved, no subterfuge, just asked a question, got an answer, straight up. there are other loops here besides management and techs. they are called co-workers and friends. we have 4 other departments here. a matter of deduction, my dear watson. a friend in one of the other loops said they saw a friend who would be there for no other good reason. too easy after that.
p.s. a manager left an e-mail about the interviews, no names were used, and told us that there were more interviews in the next couple of days and they were doing their part to fill the open positions as we have been anxious to get back to a full house. put 1 & 1 together and figured it might add up.
sorry there wasn't a better subplot or some kind of conspiracy on this one, but sadly, if you wait long enough, at least where i work, there will be enough soon.
And as for me being management, .......sorry, i kinda thru up a little in my throat......ahhemm, there, thats better, well lets just say that if that ever happens, icecream will be available in a very hot place.

[guest]

We are finding it hard to manage our US workers, they think it is a democracy or something. They are never happy, they always want more. They are not loyal, they will leave us when someone offers $1 more. We thought the european benefits, long vacations, free wine and american Coke would make then happy and shut up. We will only be accepting applications from the French, as for the americans "let em eat cake"!!!

booty:

cake, no cake for you!!!!(using soup nazi accent from seihfeld)

[guest]

no yerapee'in bennies, no yerapee'in vacation any more, and the wine seem like it tastes, kinda funny, i've never heard of a french wine called "Ripple" before.

[cooch56]

Dang I thought I bitched alot, Guest put me too shame. Heck if it takes 3.5 hours too drive from Palm Beach county, you might as well live in Orlando. It only takes me 3.5 to 4 hourd to drive down too simulation row (36th street) and that's morning, noon or night.

[guest]

Dang I thought I bitched alot, Guest put me too shame. Heck if it takes 3.5 hours too drive from Palm Beach county, you might as well live in Orlando. It only takes me 3.5 to 4 hourd to drive down too simulation row (36th street) and that's morning, noon or night.
sim center is smack dab in the middle of airport road, i live 19.5 miles away and it takes 1.5 hours average to get to work no matter what shift i'm on.
point being, miami taffic suck's!!

[guest]

update to previous bitching.
to sum it up, there is a contract. signed seald delivered. the company was nice enough to take us to dinner. we ordered a picnic ham.
they got the ham, we got the BONE!!

[guest]

$30 an hour
4 weeks vacation to start
13 holidays
full health care
tuition reimbursement
did I miss anything?

You need to quit whining and go shopping for another job so you can see what it's like out there. Be thankful you aren't working for a military contract or one of the airlines.

Quit your job or quit crying already! cr34211:

[guest]

30 an hour ended up 27.50 from the vote to the paycheck delay,
not quite full medical if your out of network, and the 13 holidays are all at christmas, which tech usually work , as the schedule is lite and big work gets done. somehow the 2002-2005 payscale steps mysteriously moved by themselves. 2002 to 2005, step 1-9, hypothetic situation, a step 3 in 2002, by contract, moved up 1 step each anniversary of the contract, ie; june 1st, so said step 3 in 02 went to 4 in 03, 5 in 04 and should have went to 6 in 05. by the time the contract was "RAT-ified", said steps were "retroactive along with back pay to june 1,05" which is what was voted on and passed. i voted yes, as the step i should have went to was the raise we were fighting for all those 42 weeks. turns out said step 5 guy didn't go to step 6 on june 1, he is now a step 3 again. figure that one out . no such payscale change was ever shown to the tech group, what we saw was "if you should be a step 6 of june 05, this is the pay for a step 6 on the new contract. so , still think we get such a good deal?? yeah, i know you arline techs are getting screwed big time. thats why 95% of us are at a non-airline shop. wa wa wa big baby's. stil don't like getting boned from both sides, management and the union negotiator.cryaby: cuss: buttkick:

[guest]

You're complaining about full medical for network only? Most places you'll pay several hundred dollars a month for that!

You complain about 13 holidays? Most places give 6-10 and the techs always get stuck working them. That's normal.

A 9 year top of scale is typical. Where I work it's a 15 year scale!

Isn't Airbus's top of scale base pay $29.50 + $1.00 skill premium with an optional 1.20-1.80 shift pay?

I'd love to see numbers like that where I work. Miami is still cheaper than DC, LA, Seattle or Las vegas. And we don't see pay like that out here.

If it's that bad for you then why are you still there? Go work down the street.

[guest]

no. top of scale is now 10 yrs plus. no "skills pay" at all. 30.00 an hour went up in a puff of smoke. payscale majically went from a step 5 in 2005 is now a step 3 untill 2006. if you can turn 27.50 into 30.00, teach me!!!star: . p.s. pre 9/11, airlines and cargo shops were racking in gold. that's how i ended up here. also worked 2 sca/wdl contracts, learned my lessons. couldn't get a airline or cargo shop job if my dad hired people. everyone wanted a job with one of those. paid my dues, worked the sca/wdl for 10.5 years. i'm sorry you don't get paid well now where you are. if you want to live in south florida, please send a resume, we are still hiring. we'd be glad to have you, running short cuts into weekends and vacation time. i'm bitching because we took the deal because we thought that we finally got the raises we weren' getting for the last 10 years, union came in in '96. wherever you are, i can't help you, i can only try to help me and my fellow techs here, and protect the integrity of the contract we thought we voted on for future techs who do come here to work. managers cruise these threads on a regular basis, so it's now in black and white.buttkick:

[The Pirate]

you got hosed. contract is signed, scales are set in stone untill the end of the new contract. get over it, and start planning your stratagy for the next contract. better yet, become a shop steward and be part of the solution.angryf:

[guest]

The new Airbus pay scales are now posted on the pay scale page and are correct. The top is 29.54 with some sweet gains the last steps from 25.03 - 29.54. You can always find some place or some tech making more, at least until that greener pasture business goes south or a new prick takes over the shop. There are lawyers and medical doctors that get by while others make millions. It is what it is. At least Airbus offers there employees a way to get ahead by paying for there tuition and even flight school if you want to be a pilot, and really get screwed.




Step 7 $25.03
Step 8 $26.64
Step 9 $28.23
Thereafter $29.54

[The Pirate]

1. problem with pay scales, numerically they are correct. the caveat is that a tech who was a step 5 in 2004, and should have went to 6 on 1 june 2005, but when contract got ink'd, suddenly he was a step 3 by the new scale, so your right, looks good on paper, sounds like a really good deal, but the math don't add up.

2. plus's tuition, up to 5200 a year, with some strings attached, but still good. didn't know about the pilot training part, it used to fall under tuition, and i been there over 5 yrs.

3. management on a day to day basis is fairly easy to work with. the new sim manager is settled in and doing good so far.

4. the average seniority in the shop is like 10 yrs at airbus, with the majority of techs in the 20-25 year range as sim tech s.

5. there was/is a lot of anger and anxiety over the 42 weeks it took to get a contract signed, most got a minimal pay raise, but the top of scale ceiling moved without techs to actually touch it.

6. overall, being a non airline/cargo shop, i've seen worse, much worse.
nuff said.

[guest]

top of scale debate.
3-4 techs should have hit top of scale this year. didn't happen. with new conrtact, they dropped to tech 7/8's. the carrot keeps moving again, makes me dizzy.

[guest]

The new Airbus pay scales are now posted on the pay scale page and are correct. The top is 29.54 with some sweet gains the last steps from 25.03 - 29.54. You can always find some place or some tech making more, at least until that greener pasture business goes south or a new prick takes over the shop. There are lawyers and medical doctors that get by while others make millions. It is what it is. At least Airbus offers there employees a way to get ahead by paying for there tuition and even flight school if you want to be a pilot, and really get screwed.




Step 7 $25.03
Step 8 $26.64
Step 9 $28.23
Thereafter $29.54
comes under "fuzzy math"

[andy]

So... I need to know that is correct. What exactly is the top of scale? I had updated my payscale page with numbers that I received which stated base pay "top of scale" being $29.54.

There is a contract, right? What does the contract spell out for going up in pay... Is it based on seniority or merit? The numbers and bennies that are for Airbus have been posted at http://www.simtechonline.com/payscales.htm

Better yet, if anyone has a copy of the contract, I'd sure like a copy. Sounds like it's overall a pretty good deal.

[little jake]

O.K., we after quite some time got a pay scale from level 1-9 (old contract). The new contract is still pay scale level 1-9. To keep this number level, if you were at pay level 5 during the last contract with the new contract you are moved to level 3 with the new contract. It is basically set up so that if you are at the lower levels of the pay, levels 1-6, you will NEVER EVER reach the top of the pay scale, well that is unless if you are someone that just was just brought in, because they are always brought in higher than the people that have been there for over 6 years, even if they don't know what a sim is. Go figure!! screwy: Like I heard, those who stood strong should be proud.

Andy,
as far as what the union contract that was passed for airbus, you know who to get in touch with to get what you need.

[andy]

Andy,
as far as what the union contract that was passed for airbus, you know who to get in touch with to get what you need.

Well, the numbers that I received were from a pretty reliable source... that's why I was scratching my head when some of these other posts popped up.

[little jake]

I know a source you have at Airbus, and what he gave you will be right. Also, just so people know the $1 skill premium is not a skill premium. It is called "special project" pay. It basically is something that one tech needs to get done by a set date, i.e. software installation, software creation, building airports requested by a customer, etc. The boss man determines if you get the extra dollar or not. Helps allot when you are at the bottom of the pay scale. It basically is for people that do that extra work that other people did not want to learn.

[guest]

or a special gift for that simtech that is hard to buy gifts for!!!buttkick:
"XXX"s and OOO"s(?)

[guest]

Those who stood strong should be proud!!! Those who did not should be ashame!!! That is the way is going to be there for ever. The people who complaint the most is the people who do not do much. The ones that have been there for over 10 years (RS, JE, ED) and a few of the new ones coming from other sites in 36st (TS, RS). The ones who are always talking and not getting anything done (many). Yeap!! Screwed again on the new contract, but it is your own fault. Really glad Pedro is gone. One of the best tech's I have ever worked with. Always working hard, getting things done that others would not do, never afraid of any task given, never kissed anyone's ass, always telling it the way it was (people did not like that), getting those sims ready better than anyone else and very well respected by those who knew him for his tremendous tenacity and knowledge. I am glad he found his way back to his roots and from what I heard he is enjoying it. I really missed him. Great guy. I also heard that Rusty is leaving. What a guy. Maybe he also needs a change. That will be for his own good and I really hope everything goes well for him. And for you little JAkE... You need a change too. Don't waste your live there. The bad part of not doing something is not doing it.

Take care guys.wiggle1: crossfing

[The Pirate]

Bravo, me Hermano!!

P.S.
VOTE FOR PEDRO!!

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[Luke]

Boeing paying 32h for sim techs? Does anyone have pay or benefit info on Alteon? I do not see them listed on the payscale page, would be interesting to have them listed. Airbus probably can't pay as much, spent too much on that spruce goose. The benefits look interesting though, 4 weeks vacation and 13 holidays to start. I guess they spend alot of time fishing and on the beach down there.

This is truly a joke....not Alteon....never....A manager is lucky if he /she is getting this from Alteon. arms: huh4: nutkick: