Gas!!! What Gas? We need no stinking GAS!!

[rabyson1]

Let's talk about these high gas prices. Let's compare today to a year ago today. What's happened in the market? What can we the users get across to the suppliers? Let's get the word out there to these politicians that supposedly want high gas price relief. LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nono:

[2cold4me]

Is what should happen is that the US should tell the suppliers that we will pay X amount for the crude oil, if they want to sell it they will except the price.. if not I guess that they can sit on all that oil and go broke! After all the US is the largest user of crude oil and lets face it with out us they would have a lot less cash in their pockets..

[Egyptian]

2cold4me, Trouble with your logic lolhit: is that there will be a lowered demand, thus causing a reduction in prices which would just make the Chinese and the Indians extremely happy as they are the fastest growing oil comsumers in the world right now, we are still the biggest user.

Egyptian

[reprob8]

Here's a little piece of sticker shock from CNN.


http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes

[guest]

hmmmm,

We are not going to pay your prices!!!

What do we do in the mean time?

Fart in bottle?


The system your suggesting is called supply and demand, with monopoly.
Its already in place.

Wanna reduce demand?, park your SUV, permanently.

[noodles]

Wanna reduce demand?, park your SUV, permanently.


Amen!

[andy]

Panic in Atlanta?

http://www.atlantagasprices.com/

Shows gas prices at a max of $3.99 a gallon. Earlier it was reported prices tapped $5 for regular unleaded.

MSP max prices were around $3.25 for today. The stations in the town where I live average $2.89.9 but most are now $299.9 a gallon!

LAX max was $3.50

Any state can be checked out at http://www.gasbuddy.com/

[Luke]

Last night they show this manager of a gas station, An Indian,and I don't mean American Indian, raising his prices to over $5.00 per gallon. claiming it is his gas. Which I guess it is if he paid for it. Someone walked over to him and said: " you should be shot". I'm surprised he wasn't. But, why do people stop there and buy from him ? They should boycott him, then he will loose his store and probably have to go back to where he came from.

[rabyson1]

Now they're talking 70% hike in rates for natural gas!!!! cuss: Guess we could all fart in bottles and sell it when the gas prices get high. The government is already to lay out the plan of high natural gas prices for the coming winter. I suppose they think a little preparation or advance warning is going to ease the minds of the working class. scared: We as a country are in NO worse shape than we were five years prior. It is just a way of the rich man getting richer and saying F_ _ K UUUUUUUUU!!!!!!! hothead:

[Egyptian]

Anyone have any idea how much of our electricity is generated with natural gas? So not only will the cost of your gas furnace skyrocket this winter, so will the cost of running your light bulbs. Seems to me that I have not heard of the price of Uranium ore going up ever. Maybe it is time to start to build more nuke plants and quit using fosil fuels to generate electricity. We would all be better off. And before you tree huggers go off on me, we can safely bury the waste. All it takes is a little caution and care in the process.

Egyptian

[SimGeek]

Seems to me that I have not heard of the price of Uranium ore going up ever. Maybe it is time to start to build more nuke plants and quit using fosil fuels to generate electricity. We would all be better off.

Egyptian
Agreed. Heck even the French got it right by standardizing on one basic nuke plant design, rather than making every single nuke plant a different design. Take one good design, and copy it over and over in different locations. Just don't put them close to or on earthquake faults. We have the technology, lets not continue to let the bleeding heart liberals continue to "scare" us into not using a good solution to energy production.

[Enters Tense Rig]

You should be scared. The waste generated from nuke plants has a half life of over 250,000 years. If it makes its way into the ground water it could contaminate entire regions - basically forever. You would trust that to the lowest bidder?

[reprob8]

Rocky Flats comes to mind right away.

[SimGeek]

You should be scared. The waste generated from nuke plants has a half life of over 250,000 years. If it makes its way into the ground water it could contaminate entire regions - basically forever.

I feel sorry for those that allow irrational fear to be a primary motivator in their lives.


We have the technology to prevent nuke plant waste products from getting back into the environment.

If you really want to have something in the "here and now" to be afraid of, just look at how many places currently have ground water contaminated by MTBE. For those that don't know, MTBE is a gasoline additive mandated to be added to gas by the EPA. Even after it was shown that it did not work in cleaning the air, was a proven carcinogen, and the Clinton administration removed many negative facts about MTBE from a Whitehouse Report on the subject, it is still being added to gasoline today. And still getting into the ground water all across the country.

[Enters Tense Rig]

I feel sorry for those that allow irrational fear to be a primary motivator in their lives. .

The US, and EU utilize temporary storage facilities for the waste that is generated. Once they figure out the cost of disposing of it safely, they will probably subcontract a developing country like Kazakhstan to take it in. In other words - Future Dirty Bomb coming to a city near you.


We have the technology to prevent nuke plant waste products from getting back into the environment. .

What technology is that? Putting it all in Yucca Mountain and crossing your fingers?

If you really want to have something in the "here and now" to be afraid of, just look at how many places currently have ground water contaminated by MTBE. For those that don't know, MTBE is a gasoline additive mandated to be added to gas by the EPA. Even after it was shown that it did not work in cleaning the air, was a proven carcinogen, and the Clinton administration removed many negative facts about MTBE from a Whitehouse Report on the subject, it is still being added to gasoline today. And still getting into the ground water all across the country.

And still affecting our energy budget. Billions of pork barrel dollars is in place (thanks to the red congress) to handle any future lawsuits. We wouldn't want Mobil, Exxon, or Shell to pay for their crimes now would we? They'd just raise the price of gas anyway and still make record profits.

So you've demostrated to me that you understand water solubility. If only you could grasp the dangers of water soluble nuclear waste.

There are other forms of safer alternative energy that could be invested in. Wind, geo-thermal, solar. I don't think that nuclear power plants should be shut down. I just think that nuclear power shouldn't be expanded.

[bluesman]

Nuclear waste?

No problem.

Shoot it into space.

See ya later!

If there are any aliens out ther that might find it a threat, chances are they are more technologically advanced and probably have a use for it.

I doubt I'll meet em. Nor my grandkids.

We should shoot our garbage out there too, and maybe some democrats.

Whoaaa, I'll bet that raises some brows.

bluesman standing by for the abuse.

[guest]

I butt heads with SimGeek on too many issues to count.

We may have found common ground, as scary as that is.

I'm very liberal, and happier for it.

But I'm also for Nuclear power.

This is a game of lesser evils.
Dumping fossil fuels into our atmosphere and supercharging Katrina and funding terrorist and exporting wealth, is not my idea of the ideal solution.

Nuclear power is the only viable solution that we currently have.

Wind and solar are extremely good, its just does not pack the punch of fossil and nuclear. These technologies should still be pushed heavily.

Shooting into space isn't a terrible idea, as long as the rocket doesn't explode in the upper atmosphere. It may actually be worth the one time risk. If it could be done only one time, not.

I'm for Yucca mountain. Actually I want Yucca mountain to be the worlds repository for waste. Exactly for the dirty bomb reason.

Gimmie more power needs to be equally measured with, "How can we use less."

We are parasites on this planet, the earth will find a way to get rid of us, if we don't first.

[The Pirate]

the civil energy world should take lessons on nuc power from navy nuke's, as at one time a bumper sticker that got pulled for it's non=pc message, "more americans have died in cars driven by kennedy's than from navy nuclear power."
nuc power is great, if the saftey and maint. is done without a minimum budget.

[dustymars]

Red beans means more gas!

Like, L.S.M.S.T. Lucky Strikes.

[LBLUNTX]

Where do all of you anti-nuclear power folks think Uranium comes from. It comes from the the ground at varying depths. In northern New Mexico it's at about 800 to 1100 feet, except at mount Taylor where it's at about 2000 ft. Outside of Barstow CA it's at about 400 ft. In southern Colorado we found it at 1500 to 1800 ft. The point is that there's already a chance it will get into the water sand layer at different areas the US. If the government has drilled a series of holes around Yucca Mountain to find where the water sand is and there is more that 300 or more feet seperation then the chance of nuclear waste getting in the ground water is exceeding remote.
Have any of you seen the wind farms outside of Indio CA. I don't think any of the "Beautiful People" (Rich Liberals) , will want them in their backyard.
If you want to wait on solar technology, so be it. Just don't bitch about the price of fuels now, because if we don't start drilling and producing more oil it's just going to get worse and OPEC is going to be able to buy us out lock, stock, and barrel.

[freddybone]

Sorry to disagree with all you liberals and conservatives but as a Hanford Downwinder (http://www.downwinders.com/hanford_hist.html ) I have seen what responsible nuclear power causes. Lets try a little common sense first.In Phoenix try to find a HOA that will let you put up a cloths line its a 115 fucking degrees and I have to use a electric cloths dryer.
Big oil and the power companys were just like the tabacco companys they lured us in got us addicted and them rammed it home. So how does it feel to be just like a crack whore, shit man I will sell my soul to keep driving my SUV and cooling and heating my 3500 sq. ft home.
My suggestion is a Manhattan project II we lock a bunch of mad scientist away in a hell hole and tell them they cant leave until we have cars that get 250 MPG or reliable inexpensive fuel cell technology.

[Enters Tense Rig]

I am aware that Uranium is a natural element mined from the ground. It's low level radioactivity is not a threat. It's not even usable as a fuel until it is highly refined and enriched hexasomethingsomething to produce the yellow cake. But that's not what I'm concerned with. My concerns are with the High Level toxic wastes produced by the reaction process. The plutonium is as toxic as it is radioactive and I just don't trust any disposal company/organization to transport/handle/dispose of it.

I know Solar isn't a viable solution on a grand scale - but I do think that it should get a push (with a handy tax break) for the private home owner to help supplement overall demand.

WIND POWER, BABY !!
http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/factsheets/ad2.html
That's what I'm talk'n 'bout! We have some windy planes in this country that could easily support wind farms. I wouldn't mind one in my backyard - I think they look impressive.

Once again, I don't think that the current Nuclear Plants should be shut down - Just don't want this form of energy expanded. I think the 10% to 20% of our electricity that it generates is fine.

[Doctor Clutch]

What about geo-thermal? I keep seeing that show on the Discovery channel about the giant caldera under Yellow Stone that will one day wipe out about 4 westerns states and bury the rest of us in ash. Sound like a good spot to start poking holes in the ground and tapping into some free heat (Tesla steam turbines). All that free energy and cool off that part of the earths crust at the same time. Sound like a win-win situation. I suppose the flower sniffing tree huggers would complain about it changing Old Faithful?s timing.

[dustymars]

I am aware that Uranium is a natural element mined from the ground. It's low level radioactivity is not a threat. It's not even usable as a fuel until it is highly refined and enriched hexasomethingsomething to produce the yellow cake. But that's not what I'm concerned with. My concerns are with the High Level toxic wastes produced by the reaction process. The plutonium is as toxic as it is radioactive and I just don't trust any disposal company/organization to transport/handle/dispose of it.

I know Solar isn't a viable solution on a grand scale - but I do think that it should get a push (with a handy tax break) for the private home owner to help supplement overall demand.

WIND POWER, BABY !!
http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumerinfo/factsheets/ad2.html
That's what I'm talk'n 'bout! We have some windy planes in this country that could easily support wind farms. I wouldn't mind one in my backyard - I think they look impressive.

Once again, I don't think that the current Nuclear Plants should be shut down - Just don't want this form of energy expanded. I think the 10% to 20% of our electricity that it generates is fine.

When you huge investment in all these gadgets are ready for production at a reasponable cost -- let us know.

[noodles]

When you huge investment in all these gadgets are ready for production at a reasponable cost -- let us know.


What?

[freddybone]

Not a well written response but I know what he means, been there done that with windmills very very expensive. Solar Power for homes and a little conservation.

[The Pirate]

noodles, man you gotta get a new avatar, everytime i see it, i get shooting pains from stem to stern. man that had to hurt!!.....................

[reprob8]

When it comes to spending money on development costs for alternative energy resources, we've spent money on more useless things. National Missile Defense for starters.

[JarHead]

Perhaps Noodles' avatar obstructed Submariner's vision?

[reprob8]

Perhaps Noodles' avatar obstructed Submariner's vision?

You are one sick puppy.

[The Pirate]

jarhead, that was good. especially how you got all the words spelled right, or were you an Officer?

[noodles]

Not a well written response but I know what he means, been there done that with windmills very very expensive. Solar Power for homes and a little conservation.

Thanks for the translation?

Apparently Dusty knows of a place where cheap nuclear power plants can be built? Probably Wall-Mart.

As for residential solar, I?m strongly in favor of any technology that reduces my energy consumption footprint. However? Like most folks, a 15-20 year return on one of today?s solar systems is simply not affordable. As Reprob8 mentioned in an earlier post, Uncle Sam needs to invest some of our tax dollars into alternative technologies that ARE affordable.

[noodles]

noodles, man you gotta get a new avatar, everytime i see it, i get shooting pains from stem to stern. man that had to hurt!!.....................

Our web-host Andy blessed me with the monster-balls avatar after my vasectomy reversal surgery. Yeah, you read correctly? Reversal.

My surgeon, Dr. Mengele, promised that recuperation from this procedure would be much like what I experienced after the original vasectomy. He lied? Oh, how he lied. I should have suspected something was amiss when he went outside to dull his scalpel on the sidewalk after seeing my ?Anyone but Bush ?04? t-shirt.

[andy]

See.... this is how things get taken out of context!


Our web-host Andy blessed me with the monster-balls ....

[Doctor Clutch]

As for residential solar, I?m strongly in favor of any technology that reduces my energy consumption footprint. However? Like most folks, a 15-20 year return on one of today?s solar systems is simply not affordable. As Reprob8 mentioned in an earlier post, Uncle Sam needs to invest some of our tax dollars into alternative technologies that ARE affordable.

Residential solar? I hope your not discussing photovoltaic panels. I read in a science type magazine a short while back that they consume more energy to create than they can ever produce in their expected lifetime. Part of the reason they are so expensive.

[guest]

I haven't heard this on solar panels.

Do you have a source?

Not doubting, just curious.

[guest]

Residential solar? I hope your not discussing photovoltaic panels. I read in a science type magazine a short while back that they consume more energy to create than they can ever produce in their expected lifetime. Part of the reason they are so expensive.

Not acording to this.

http://www.ece.gatech.edu/research/UCEP/solarfaq.htm#2


11. Do solar cells produce more energy than is used during their manufacture?



Yes. The amount of time it takes for a technology to produce more energy than was used in their manufacture is called the energy payback time. Solar cells have an energy payback time ranging from a few months to 6 years, depending on the type of materials, the type of solar cell and where it is used. Solar cells have warranties well in excess of these numbers, typically 20 years. The origin of the popular myth that solar cells do not produce enough energy in their lifetime to recover the energy in making them is unknown, as every published study has shown that solar cells produce more energy in their lifetime than the energy used in production.

[rabyson1]

Run for your life!!! Did I say that? I mean run for your nearest gas station!!!
The government and oil/gas suppliers are fore warning us this time huh4: !!!
cr34211: No need to cry over spilt gas. banghead: Don't fret gas will only be at $5 a gallon after RITA or maybe before. jester: Do you actually think that the inquiry into gas price gouging is going to keep prices relative --NOT! buttkick: The gas suppliers say trust me, trust me, I mean bend over with NO lube. Get ready fellow americans it assholes and elbows once again. Oh well what can a simple person do about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hide1:

[dirtydozen]

I think we should all be looking into future employment at some type of refinery etc. ??? Hmmmm...

[rabyson1]

whoa: GMA this morning predicted $5 a gallon if not more. shocked: Better stock up on gasoline today, because tomorrow may be toooooo late. The prediction is RITA three times as bad to the economy than KATRINA. Oh well RITA a bigger bitch than KATRINA go figure. At least it will give the refiners and producers something to really jack the prices. cruch: innocent: deal: beerchug: Here's what we can expect from the big boys --- hifinger: booty: bow28:

[f16simman]

I think instead of the bit*hing about the price of gas we can do one of two things 1. live with it and pay the price or 2. Do something about it. i.e. insulate more, Make your own windmill, build your own electric car. and so on. And by the way One big thing that is always overlooked by the general public is How much Tax are you paying on that gallon of gas. Fed, State, Loc. Ohio is 49.9 cents for every gallon. take that off the top and we are talking progress.

[chingaso]

Where do you plan to get that tax back? We can't even afford Bush's tax cuts and yo want to cut the fuel tax? headscrat

[freddybone]

The federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon follow the link and you will see why a few states namely California like high gas prices they put a percentage gas tax instead of a flat tax.

http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

Buy a American assembled Saturn the gas mileage is phenominal.

[Egyptian]

CHINGASO,

maybe it is time to follow the teachings of Neal Bortz in his co authorer book on a national sales tax. I have not read it myself, but have heard it discussed in depth on the radio. It sounds like a fair idea to me, 23% sales tax and the IRS gets nuked. You then decide how much tax you want to pay by your spending habits. It might turn Americans into a country of savers.

Egyptian

[chingaso]

Any type of Nat'l sales tax or flat tax is completely regressive. It will still hit the poor hardest. (Even if there is a rebate.) Taxation defintely needs reform, however it needs to stay progressive in nature.

[chingaso]

Where do you plan to get that tax back? We can't even afford Bush's tax cuts and yo want to cut the fuel tax? headscrat


Actually, I should have stated..."...we can hardly afford Bush's tax SHIFTS..." there really os no such thing as a tax cut. You will pay for it somewhere.

[Egyptian]

I think I remember hearing that the rebate would be the taxes on about 25000 or so, paid out the first of each month. As for regressive vs progressive taxes, progressive taxes tend to stop people for trying to improve their lot How many people do you know that don't want to work OT since the government takes so much out of the OT pay. And under their proposed tax structure, I wonder how many will be totally out of paying taxes all together. The IRS has got to go and the 16000 pages of tax law needs to be shredded. It is out of control, and only those that can afford the high price attorneys and tax accountants can beat the system, we in the middle class just pay and pay and pay. I had forgot just how bad it is until I returned from 3 years in the middle east where I didn't pay taxes. And don't tell me about the services provided by the government that I didn't pay for. I didn't have access to any of them.

Egyptian

[reprob8]

If you hired more people, paid a decent wage and benefits, maybe you wouldn't need overtime.

You also forget that twenty years ago, the tax laws were supposedly streamlined and simplified. What has happened since? Just like the highway bill, some corporation slips a congressional campaign a few bucks, and new exemptions are created to the tax code. Don't expect things to different under a "flat tax."

Like John Hightower said, "If you want clean water, you have to get the pigs out of the stream."

[Egyptian]

How many people does it take to maintane a single sim. 3. On rare occaisions, you will need to surge labor, and for that, i will not hire an extra person just because I might need him once a month. You can't make money like that.


Egyptian

[reprob8]

I'm speculating, but if what's happened at the automakers serves as a gauge, most companies would rather pay OT if it means not having to hire someone, and pay them benefits, etc. If I remember right, the UAW was complaining about GM because their membership was being asked to work excessive OT.

You've yet to address the central issue, which is namely that most corporations and the rich will grant themselves exemptions and deductions with the passage of time. Leaving the burden to borne by the same folks as now.

[Egyptian]

I think many of you on this board have the "us vs them" mind set. In business, the study of quantative theory produces some really interesting computer models which amoung other things shows where excess OT is no longer productive and the time to hire more people has arrived. I am sure most corporations pay money to the egg heads that study this stuff and when the time is right, will hire more people. In the mean time, OT is a more profitable way of doing business, and I can understand it, I took a course in Quantatative Theory on my way to my IE degree. Just can't quite figure why I am still in sims.

[freddybone]

You've yet to address the central issue, which is namely that most corporations and the rich will grant themselves exemptions and deductions with the passage of time. Leaving the burden to borne by the same folks as now.
Like it has been since the beginning of time and the way it will always be money talks. Do you think it was any different in the old Soviet Union or the new Russia any different in Europe how about our oil rich Muslim friends. Utopia exists only in your mind.
Gas was the thread so as of 0400 24 Sept gas is down 3-5 cents a gallon since Wednesday here in PHX. We will see what the sunrise on the gulf coast brings to the local gas prices.

[Doctor Clutch]

How many people does it take to maintane a single sim. 3. On rare occaisions, you will need to surge labor, and for that, i will not hire an extra person just because I might need him once a month. You can't make money like that.


Egyptian

Shop manning levels have been discussed on this site before. I don?t think anybody is running a shop at 3 men per sim anymore. I know if our shop were brought up to that level all the people presently laid-off would be recalled and we would be looking to hire some new faces.

[reprob8]

Like it has been since the beginning of time and the way it will always be money talks. Do you think it was any different in the old Soviet Union or the new Russia any different in Europe how about our oil rich Muslim friends. Utopia exists only in your mind.
Gas was the thread so as of 0400 24 Sept gas is down 3-5 cents a gallon since Wednesday here in PHX. We will see what the sunrise on the gulf coast brings to the local gas prices.


Utopia is indeed a long way off, but it seems we've drifted fruther away from it lately. Madison offered a his take on it in Federalist #10.

Do not confuse the old Soviet Union with Karl Marx's vision of a socialist state. The old Soviet Union was nothing more than a political caste system. Only members of the party enjoyed the fruits of the "workers paradise." That would have had Marx, Antonio Gramshi, and Rosa Luxemburg rolling over in their graves.

Egyptian:

If there is an "us versus mindset" it's because "us" having paying for "them's" party with little or no benefit accruing to "us."

[SimGeek]

How many people does it take to maintane a single sim. 3. On rare occaisions, you will need to surge labor, and for that, i will not hire an extra person just because I might need him once a month. You can't make money like that.

Egyptian
I would like to see your tech shift schedule for this single sim operation. gurn:

This sim will be used for training of the airlines own crews 7 days a week, 16 hours a day, 360 days a year.
In addition back of the clock time will be sold to others an average of 24 hours a week.

The techs, lets name them A B and C have three weeks vacation/year and 8 paid holydays each year. The techs have 8 hours sick-time banked per month.

Please feel free to be creative. wink:

[Egyptian]

I don't need to be creative, I work on military sims and we work in a different world. Generally, we run 5 or 6 days a week, and then for just 8 to 10 hours a day. One guy in early to power up, super in at 8 and the 3rd guy in around noon to take care of write ups and power down. Make the math any easier. I tried the airline thing at LMCO in Orlando, it damn near killed me with the stupid 12 hours of days, 4 days off then 4 days of nights, 4 off 4 days etc etc etc. The airline schedule is an attempt to kill people. I understand why so many airline shops are union. They are treating you guys like they did the coal miners and steel workers in the early 1900s.

egyptian

[SimGeek]

I don't need to be creative, I work on military sims and we work in a different world. Generally, we run 5 or 6 days a week, and then for just 8 to 10 hours a day. One guy in early to power up, super in at 8 and the 3rd guy in around noon to take care of write ups and power down. Make the math any easier. I tried the airline thing at LMCO in Orlando, it damn near killed me with the stupid 12 hours of days, 4 days off then 4 days of nights, 4 off 4 days etc etc etc. The airline schedule is an attempt to kill people. I understand why so many airline shops are union. They are treating you guys like they did the coal miners and steel workers in the early 1900s.

egyptian
In your 1st post you said "You can't make money like that." Now I see your only talking about non-profit organizations running with a three person staff. Indeed the airline world is vastly different. The folks I know that have moved from contract maintaince, to the airlines have never gone back.

LOL, I never heard of such a whacked out schedule with a real airline run sim shop... Don't know who LMCO is, but assume it is some contract maintaince operation. Having worked for several airlines on simulators for over 25 years, I have always had a good/flexible schedule. Never one that rotated the shift more than every three or four months (if then). The ability to travel the world be it a 3 day weekend, or weeks at a time, whenever I wanted has always been huge benefit I use all the time. burnout:

But back to the single sim operation, when we did it, was with 8 sim tech's a manager and a supervisor, it's the sim utilization schedule that sets the minimum manning level. Would the military just add another sim, rather than using the back side of the clock when they fill up the daytime schedule?

[Egyptian]

To answer your questions, LMCO is Lockheed Martin. They were running a commercial flight training center with 2 737s and an A320 sim. Rented the sims to the airlines on an hourly basis. The maint was contracted to Thales who came up with the whacked out schedule.

As for non profit operations, the military is surely not a profitable organization unless you consider our freedom to be the profit (I DO). But I do work for an organization contracted to do the maint, and it is a profit making organization. And for a single sim operation, 3 is all you need. I am sure if the Army needed more time, they would extend the training day, and of course, we would have to add another tech or two.

For now, I am very happy with the company I work for and plan to spend the next 5 or 6 years with them until I retire. The airlines are to shakey right now to even think about. Almost all of them in control of the courts, loosing money hand over fist, management that seems from what I read to be totally incompetent and always cutting back on people. Not much of a future there right now. Maybe when we are down to 2 or 3 airlines, it will be a good place to work again, but I think I will be pushing up daises by then.


Egyptian

[freddybone]

Gee I guess those 12 hour shifts at AWA are just in my imagination

[Doctor Clutch]

Freddybone,
Who took the picture (your avatar). Great likeness. pdfdf:

[reprob8]

It's that Arizona sun! Except his avatar has a little more hair. biggrin:

[freddybone]

Stop your making me blush I only wish I had two antennae left to call hair

[Doctor Clutch]

Here?s an interesting article on an alternate petroleum source. Amazing how when the price is right an alternative appears.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051002/ap_on_bi_ge/shale_tar_sands_2

[Egyptian]

Here?s an interesting article on an alternate petroleum source. Amazing how when the price is right an alternative appears.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051002/ap_on_bi_ge/shale_tar_sands_2

I remember in the 80s when they said if oil ever got to 20 bucks a barrel, it would be profitable to get the shale oil. What ever happened to that.


Egyptian

[chingaso]

It's still not profitable.

[bluesman]

Original post:
Here?s an interesting article on an alternate petroleum source. Amazing how when the price is right an alternative appears.

They've been trying to perfect the process of seperating the bitumen from sand for a few decades or so. It's just in the last decade where they can do it profitably. The US has a great interest in it, which is why Mr. Cheney was going to visit there until he had to visit Louisiana.

[rabyson1]

banghead: Has anyone noticed that the gas prices keep rising??? Duh!!
drillse: Government says it's A-OK, trust us, argue: we know exactly what we are doing. blinkey: Oh well, I have never known this administration to ever know what they are doing or have done. Simple ---- Blind leading the Blinder.shocked:

[chingaso]

Although rising gas prices could have been avoided through stong gov'tal leadership. Really, in the end, is is our own fault. We continue to live outside our means energywise. Can't drive Excursions and expect things to always remain the same.

[freddybone]

Come on now sit back and sip your two dollar bottle of water and be thankful your SUV doesnt run on perrier. Slow down, drive less, park the gas guzzler and start walking to Walmart because by the looks of some of us walking wouldn't hurt. Is it just my imagination but did Americans expand proportionally with there cars.

[chingaso]

Who pays $2 for a bottle of water? You can get a gallon for $0.53 at Wal Mart. I wouldn't mind if my SUV ran on that.

[freddybone]

Perrier 2.25 a 20 oz bottle here, using that cheap walmart water will cause your SUV to run like shit. Its water for gods sake even at 53 cents your getting ripped off but I guess they have to pay the big oil to make the plastic jug. Quit going to Walmart and supporting China and India and maybe gas will come down. Park the SUV, drive slower ,walk more and buy American Union made and sold goods.

[chingaso]

Park the SUV, drive slower ,walk more and buy American Union made and sold goods.

Are you trying to say I'm fat?

[freddybone]

No just we all should walk and bike more. I hate to compare us to those Europeans but they wouldnt drive 4 blocks to the store they would walk or bike. I know in Minnesota and North Dakota you could freeze in 4 blocks but with just a little planning and we all can conserve or we can all bitch and whine the "American" way.
Cheers alc:

[dirtydozen]

In MN we ski to da store. Your right Americans are fat, lazy bastards and we are going to get our asses handed to us if we keep living this gluttonous life style. Buy American.

[cooch56]

Plus Wal-Mart has the electric carts for those overweight gas-guzzling people.

[chingaso]

You mean handicapped, don't you? ( i know)

[chingaso]

No just we all should walk and bike more. I hate to compare us to those Europeans but they wouldnt drive 4 blocks to the store they would walk or bike. I know in Minnesota and North Dakota you could freeze in 4 blocks but with just a little planning and we all can conserve or we can all bitch and whine the "American" way.
Cheers alc:

I agree 100%.

[rabyson1]

headscrat HMM!!!!! Gas is back to normal almost, $2.23 a gallon. Still far too high for the average person/income!!!!! Say "W.", how about a little help!!!! box: After all you don't want us protesting at your ranch or do you. lolup: Have you NOT had enough bad press lately. Help your own people first before sinking billions in recovery efforts elswhere. cuss:

[The Pirate]

hey! maybe if we go to crawford to protest, maybe ted nugent, "w"'s newest neighbor will play us a few songs on his gee-tar??

[chingaso]

Nugent, that would be cool.

$2.23?????Where do you live, it's $2.59 here in Texass.

[The Pirate]

$2,879 for 93 octain here, but the stations were out at 0030 in south florida, thanks to all the tank toppers watching the death and distuction news channel.

p.s. is there a simcenter somplace like chattanooga or clarksville tennessee
as i've had enough hurricanes to last me for the rest of my life!!!

[guest]

headscrat HMM!!!!! Gas is back to normal almost, $2.23 a gallon. Still far too high for the average person/income!!!!! Say "W.", how about a little help!!!! box: After all you don't want us protesting at your ranch or do you. lolup: Have you NOT had enough bad press lately. Help your own people first before sinking billions in recovery efforts elswhere. cuss:

Still FAR too high for the average person??!! Who exactly are those persons? And who are all those fortunate people at the pumps??

[rabyson1]

Well I screwed up on that one, actually gas is NOW $2.19. buttkick: That is Tulsa, Oklahoma. Texans always get the bone. nutkick:

[reprob8]

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[Simmi]

You should be so lucky.. gas at $3.89!! try $6.00 which is what I pay (that is if 3.785 litres = 1 US gal) I'm very lucky I don't run an SUV or similar.

Yep, I need me one of those water powered engines..

.

[The Pirate]

maybe 6.00 per usg, but i bet the canadian system of taxing gas actually goes to support something other than bush and cheney, what they make on gas/oil, they are going to use to buy this country when they retire in '08.
parp: hide1: bowdown: king george II

[Simmi]

Talking about bumper stickers..
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Sorry, this should have gone in a different topic...

[little jake]

This says it all..


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[reprob8]

maybe 6.00 per usg, but i bet the canadian system of taxing gas actually goes to support something other than bush and cheney, what they make on gas/oil, they are going to use to buy this country when they retire in '08.
parp: hide1: bowdown: king george II

Why should they buy it when they have stolen it from under us.

[Mas_o_menos]

Why should they buy it when they have stolen it from under us.

I guess that would be because once they buy it they'll have clear title to the country. Then they can sell it out from everybody just like they're doing here!

[little jake]

This gas price thing is all the rich get richer and those that aren't get ........, fill in the blank as you feel. But what would I know, I work for a living.

[The Pirate]

i'm woking on some chinese phrases and looking for a cheap conversion program for e-mail in chinese/pingin just in case my cave is not ready when it goes on sale.

[Simmi]

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[The Farm]

Simmi
You might as old as I am, I rembember 35 cent a gallon when Mom & Pop(Grandparents) had the store. Sold more wine then gas!lolhit:

[The Pirate]

in 1965 when i used to take a 1956 pontiac cheiftan station wagon for $1.50 a car load to the drive in, we could fit 15-16 teen ager's average, with a record 22, but a lot of complaining, mostly from the girls, there was an independent station that had cheap regular for 29.9 except during tourist season, then he up'd it 5 cents. i remember charging each kid 50 cents for a chance to pack into the back, and we made enought to drive like 60 mi's for the night, sodas and food at the concesion stand and have a few quarters to keep. that cartoon made me laugh, then yell "crap, i'm old!!!
bump: arms: confused:

[Egyptian]

Must make me older, I remember regular for 19.9/gal

Egyptian

[Simmi]

Simmi
You might as old as I am, I rembember 35 cent a gallon when Mom & Pop(Grandparents) had the store. Sold more wine then gas!lolhit:
Dunno.. erm, maybe, possibly, could be.. I can say that in 1952 I was not even born.
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[Sir Simalot]

I believe the reason that are gas prices are so high is this, the overseas countries have taken over our government and our delegating policies to benefit them instead of America. That's also why foreigners have more rights than American citizens do. These outside people can come into our country and our government pays there way!

[PhantomPharter]

What's Up?
What's price of gas down there in Central Florida?eeeek:

[The Pirate]

average 2.85/2.95/3.05, most places us locals know that are off the tourist path. there, just add .10-.15 next to the tourist routes.huh4: