Alteon Seattle - ??

[guest]

What is happening at Alteon Seattle?
Why all the new posting for Managers, instructors, and directors?
Did they have some sort of shake-up or mass exodus?

Seattle Training Center
Full Flight Simulator Instructors for 737NG, 747-400, 757, 767, 777

Deputy Director Standards
Deputy Director Curriculum
Manager - Revenue Management
Manager Government Programs

Manager Cabin Safety Standards

Manager Flight Training Standards
Manager Simulator Engineering
Manager Ground Training Standards

Technical Project Lead

Simulator Support Specialist
SAP HRIS Analyst

Network Integration Specialist
Data Analyst
Applications Analyst

[Ldzied]

I know they recently got a new Center Manager......

[guest]

United getting rid of contract sales, suppervisors, and engineers. Alteon has a new office at united airlines flight trainning center in denver and their web site is advertising trainning with a picture of the united trainning center. You decide. What do you think is going on?

[Jeff]

Looks like United decided to contract out their simulator operations in lieu of running it themselves. Perhaps their sim operation was growing top heavy and they felt they'd be better off with contract operation.

[Doctor Clutch]

Looks like United decided to contract out their simulator operations in lieu of running it themselves. Perhaps their sim operation was growing top heavy and they felt they'd be better off with contract operation.

Is this fact or speculation? Have ALL of United's sim ops been outsourced? What's happening to the techs in the shop? This is news worthy of more details.

[The Pirate]

United getting rid of contract sales, suppervisors, and engineers. Alteon has a new office at united airlines flight trainning center in denver and their web site is advertising trainning with a picture of the united trainning center. You decide. What do you think is going on?

CAE USA website says they have a training center in miami also, but this is B.S. they play a hide the pea game with EADS/the bus, but there are no CAE employees south of tampa. i'm not sayin yer wrong, just remember the simtech creed, don't believe anything you hear, or half the crap you actually see for yourself!!!demon: demon:

[guest]

CAE has a sim (A320) in Miami at the PAIFA center, currently maintain by PAIFA.

[The Pirate]

CAE has a sim (A320) in Miami at the PAIFA center, currently maintain by PAIFA.

the website actualy shows aibus traning center, but calls in cae training center.

[Textech]

I have felt for a while that we would see the airlines outsource their sim ops. From a business standpoint, it makes sense. They can write off the cost of the sim time as a business expense, and not have to maintain sims or the payroll for simtechs.

In the days of yore, when they were making huge profits, they could over charge themselves for sim time. This would eat up profits on paper for tax purposes. Now , the sims, and simtechs, have become a liability from a cost standpoint. This way, they won't have to worry about payroll, administration, retirements, parts, utilities, houskeeping, etc.

Companies like Alteon, CAE, and FlightSafety have positioned themselves to take on this role. Ladies, and Gentlemen, and Pirate, I think we are witnessing the end of an era.

[The Pirate]

after 30+ years, military, govt' contractors, manufacture shops, your prediction is very likely correct. simtechs are becoming the new customer support rep's, not techs. what i don't like is when customer service becomes customer servant. guess that's part of the decision to change careers before i get sent packin, as i've never been one to not tell an idiot they are indeed an idiot. if you can fly a plane, why can't you figure out how to operate a sim??? do pilots beat on the plane like they do a sim? i'm tired of cleaning gum, puke, trash, 1/2 full tobacco spit cups, pens jammed in levers and buttons, funky seat cushions, getting b#tched at because the sim is late coming down, and the crew won't answer the phone, all that little crap piles up after the same customers over and over and then the customer support boss send us a crew critique that says the sims suck and the sim techs cost them training time and don't help them.
crap, i went and got old and crotch'itty.
if you live near central wisconsin and need a good used car, come see me.
can't be much worse.demon: stalk12: headscrat scratchch

[little jake]

CAE has a sim (A320) in Miami at the PAIFA center, currently maintain by PAIFA.

I heard from folks at that shop that the sim is now in Brazil. So either I was told wrong, or the techs there had one heck of a smoke and mirror trick pulled on them.

[simtec204]

CAE has a sim (A320) in Miami at the PAIFA center, currently maintain by PAIFA


It may be that PAIFA has the maintenance contract, but back in 2001 or so when we put our three new A320 sims in and moved the other from the old building it was Airbus. But things may have changed. headscrat

[The Pirate]

cae owns it, i think it came from usless air, airbus schedules it and paifa techs maintain it. it is a real cae sim, not a reflectone built, "cae" sim like the ones at ATCMIA. sim is known as 36S.

[Luke]

There have been 27 positions posted on the Alteon website and none have been filled as of yet. The website gets updated weekly, if not daily.nutkick:

[The Pirate]

hard to get tech's, or hard to keep them????huh4: huh4:rants:

[Simmi]

hard to get tech's, or hard to keep them????huh4: huh4:eeeek:
arms::winkie: biggthump :biggrin: clap: lafhard: pdfdf: wiggle1: biggrin:jump:

Now, that is a very good question.

[noodles]

Whoa!! Has Untied contracted out their simulator operations or not??

Dr. Clutch is right? This is huge news, if in fact it has happened.