FlightSafety's ELECTRIC Motion & Control Loading

[papajoe]

From FlightSafety News

THE WORLD?S FIRST COMMERCIAL FLIGHT SIMULATOR EQUIPPED WITH ELECTRIC MOTION AND CONTROL LOADING RECEIVES FAA LEVEL D QUALIFICATION


LA GUARDIA AIRPORT, New York (April 6, 2006) ? FlightSafety International announced today that it has designed and manufactured the world?s first electric motion and control loading equipped full flight simulator for commercial use and that it has been qualified to Level D by the United States Federal Aviation Administration. The new Citation Sovereign aircraft simulator is now available to provide professional training to FlightSafety customers at the company?s Learning Center in Orlando, Florida.


"This is a clear demonstration of FlightSafety?s leadership in simulator design and manufacturing and our ability to respond quickly to the needs of our customers with innovative, advanced technology training devices that enhance the safety of aviation." said Bruce Whitman, President & CEO FlightSafety International.


FlightSafety has designed, manufactured and delivered thirty-six electric motion and control loading simulators to date. The United States Government qualified simulators include twenty TH-67, eight UH-60 and two CH-47 aircraft simulators for Flight School XXI as well as five C-17 flight simulators built for the United States Air force. These simulators have already accumulated more than 40,000 in-service hours.


FlightSafety customers that purchase or train on these electric motion and control loading equipped simulators will experience the highest level of aircraft fidelity, enhanced performance and increased availability due to a reduction in maintenance requirements and increased reliability.


FlightSafety?s new electric motion and control loading simulators also offer environmental and cost saving advantages compared to previous generation devices as they produce less heat, lower levels of ambient noise and provide a safer environment due to the elimination of the risks often associated with hydraulic fluids. The cost saving advantages include a reduction of approximately 60% in electricity consumption and the elimination of the need for the construction and servicing of hydraulic pump houses and hose trenches.


The electric motion and control loading system has been developed to allow existing FlightSafety manufactured simulators to be retrofitted with this new technology.


FlightSafety International is the world?s premier aviation training organization. Over 75,000 pilots, technicians and other aviation professionals train at FlightSafety facilities each year. The company designs and manufactures full flight simulators for civil and military aircraft programs and operates the world?s largest fleet of advanced full flight simulators at over 40 training locations.

[Simmi]

Must be deafening when it gets going.scared:
Ain't seen one yet.

[guest]

I volunteer to clean up the electrons that leak out under the sim' and the un-hpu!!!!

[guest]

andy, whats with all the "guest is a scum and need to consider this thoughts" stuff on the left side of the replies??

[guest]

Cause GUEST are scum and don't have thoughts...

[BlackCloud]

Actually, the loudest part seems to be the fans in the controls cabinet. The legs you can hear but they aren't any worse than a hydraulic system really, the controls cabinet cooling fans are louder than anything I'd say. It's a pretty nice system, getting the debugging was painful and is still underway but the main dynamics of the system is getting pretty stable, for the most part, it's pretty nice, latencies run quite a bit quicker overall and there isn't any pooling of hydraulic fluid waiting to drench you when you open up the panels. So far I like it a lot better than previous FSI systems, but that's me, not sure everyone would share that idea.

BlackCloud

[Simmi]

So.. Are those actuators made by Moog?
Tell us more, I'm sure there are people here wanting to know this stuff.

Cheers.

[av8tir]

The first electronic motion simulator was actually a Citation located in Dallas , I believe and it was a C-level.

[ssobol]

The first electric motion sim is a C2 built and operated by Simcom (a PAIFA company). The sim is located in Scottsdale, AZ. It was approved 2 or 3 years ago as Level B (primarily due to the visual system).

[papajoe]

the world?s first electric motion and control loading equipped full flight simulator for commercial use and that it has been qualified to Level D by the United States Federal Aviation Administration.


And yes, the actuators are made by Moog.

[MAllen]

I realize that this maybe splitting hairs, but has it been ?qualified to Level D? (new speak for the engineers have looked at it and said yes) or has it been ?certified at level D? (an FAA evaluation team has issued a level D cert)?

[guest]

The FAA NSP does not certify anything. They give approvals or qualifications.

[MAllen]

I?ve been working in simulation for a day or two and have always known a civil sim to be certified and mil sim to be qualified. So, let me rephrase the question;

Has a team form the FAA visited, and issued some kind of a document that ?certifies, approves, and or qualifies? this device to level ?D? as outlined in the FAAs Flight Simulation Training Device Qualification Guidance-Advisory Circular AC120-40 B or C? Is that clear enough for ya Guest?

[Simmi]

Thanks BalckCloud and papajoe..
Any more info you can give would be appreciated.

Hummm, just wondering here.. If there's a power out, can you get the platform down manualy? Haha.. crank-handles perhaps (only joking).. would they sort of lock in position or would they automaticaly/manualy allow the platform to settle in some controlled manner?

Are you using these on something like a small fighter simulator or larger commercial FFS? I ask because I don't see long reach jacks in their product lists.

Cheers

J.

[simboss12955]

http://www.moog.com/noq/%5Fcapabilities%5F%5Fc478/

Take a look here....might help clear some things up

[Simmi]

Thankx

[papajoe]

The Citation has 36" actuators and FSI has installed 60" actuators on the C-17 FFS for the USAF, the UH-60 & TH-67 FFS for Flight School XXI.

In case of a power failure there are Return To Home (RTH) amplifiers that drives the legs to a retracted position.

Yes, a team from the FAA has visited and issued some kind of a document that ?certifies, approves, and or qualifies? this device to level ?D? as outlined in the FAAs Flight Simulation Training Device Qualification Guidance-Advisory Circular AC120-40 B or C.

[MAllen]

The Citation has 36" actuators and FSI has installed 60" actuators on the C-17 FFS for the USAF, the UH-60 & TH-67 FFS for Flight School XXI.

In case of a power failure there are Return To Home (RTH) amplifiers that drives the legs to a retracted position.

Yes, a team from the FAA has visited and issued some kind of a document that ?certifies, approves, and or qualifies? this device to level ?D? as outlined in the FAAs Flight Simulation Training Device Qualification Guidance-Advisory Circular AC120-40 B or C.

Thanks Papajoe

Good to hear that milestone has been crossed. Now on to level "D" for 60in. legs with a heavy payload. FSI has the military running it so only a matter of time for the FAA to sign on as well. Any bets on when we'll see PC-IGs at level "D", or have I missed that happening?

[The Pirate]

E&S was showing a new laser projector a couple of years ago at the simposium that could be backfit to run on ESIG 3000 series that 1 projector covered the job of 3 heads, 180DEG, no lines, no edge blend, life cycle for projector was 5000 hrs maint. cycle, digital alignments, optional self auto-align, draws as much power as a big screen tv!!! addd that to electric motion, and i think we're out of a job, itt tech drop outs could phone it in.pissed-of pissed-of

[papajoe]

Nah, we'll never be out of a job. There will always be a need for someone to vacuum the cockpit and stow the O2 masks.

[little jake]

Don't forget clean up the puke from the pilots that had too much fun the night before, or to grab the defibulator when a pilot drops during the sim session. Well, maybe thats just our shop.

[The Pirate]

he's not joking!! i can verify.shocked:

[Simmi]

Urgh....

Hey, we already have SickBags in our sim for just this very thing..
You should be posting pictures onto the forum barf: Lol..

[The Pirate]

there are at least 50 bags in reach of crew members at arms length, but this "pilot" just blew all over the capt's side like a fire hose and then the crew left at 1800 and didn't tell anyone and lil jake went in to do the preflight at 0300, he is officially a real simtech now, got his t-shirt and coffee cup on that one!!!cuss:

[little jake]

Urgh....

Hey, we already have SickBags in our sim for just this very thing..
You should be posting pictures onto the forum barf: Lol..

I was running out of that sim every time the rag took a swipe at the puke, so I could puke myself, weak stomach. Also I was made fun of enough when me and another tech went swimming in hydraulic fluid in the HPU... nothing like standing out front of your building shirtless and covered in nothing but oil smoking and wondering what the boss would think if he saw you now. By the way the "Oiled Men of Airbus" calender is still available lolhit: So no need for pictures with how I looked cleaning that up.

Hey Pirate, I guess I better get over that weak stomach by December.

[The Pirate]

lil' jake, things as you know it all your previous life is changing even as we speak!! that little pea-nut is going to start reaking havock on your life with a vengence!! it's going to start pumping evil horomones into your life the likes of which would send even black beard screaming aaaaaarrrrrrr!!!! back to his ship!! why do you think they spent so much time at sea?? no pregnant wives!! and this being your first, oh, man, do not miss any dr. appointments--ever, or you will pay dearly!!

if you need a hide out in the 3rd tri mester, you can use my shed, it's even got a/c!!!
with love, bro!

[Jeff Everett]

Thanks Papajoe

Good to hear that milestone has been crossed. Now on to level "D" for 60in. legs with a heavy payload. FSI has the military running it so only a matter of time for the FAA to sign on as well. Any bets on when we'll see PC-IGs at level "D", or have I missed that happening?



RSI (www.rsi-visuals.com (http://www.rsi-visuals.com/)) has installed PC/IG's on Mechtronix 737NG simulators that have received Level D approvals from Transport Canada and the Chinese Civil Aviation Authority, both in 2005. Systems were checked against AC120-40B requirements.

The PC/IG's use no proprietary hardware and raster only projector technology.

[MAllen]

RSI (www.rsi-visuals.com (http://www.rsi-visuals.com/)) has installed PC/IG's on Mechtronix 737NG simulators that have received Level D approvals from Transport Canada and the Chinese Civil Aviation Authority, both in 2005. Systems were checked against AC120-40B requirements.

The PC/IG's use no proprietary hardware and raster only projector technology.

Hi Jeff

Thanks for the info. Could I get a customer hand out of some kind? I'd like to read a bit on the advertised specs. If some let me know and I'll give ya an address.

Thanks much.

P.S. Say hi to Danny boy.

[guest]

Hey MAllen, doesn't TTS have a visual group. Heard alot of words at ITSEC this year about some laser projector and something called Thalesview, but no one has seen it. It must be very, very good or very , very bad. When is Thales going to let customers see it and offer it for commerical sims.

P.S. I hear Thales is in Kanas now, when are you going to be moving there.

[Jeff Everett]

Sure - email your contact data and I'd be glad to forward you some info on our RASTER/flite PC/IG.

Danny is glad not to be going to Kansas ! Imagine they will keep you in FL for the time being ?

Jeff

[MAllen]

Hi Jeff

Thank you sir. I?ve sent you a private message with contact details.


To guest

Sorry but guest enters are like telemarketers and phone calls without caller ID.. To be ignored until identified. If a guest is worried about management I can understand that, (it?s not what you say it how you say it). But you would seem to know who I am, I can only say for an answer, Login and be identified.

[itsim]

nice thing , hydro sys keep it in tradition , what is the future????????sadwavey:

[The Pirate]

Hi Jeff

Thank you sir. I?ve sent you a private message with contact details.


To guest

Sorry but guest enters are like telemarketers and phone calls without caller ID.. To be ignored until identified. If a guest is worried about management I can understand that, (it?s not what you say it how you say it). But you would seem to know who I am, I can only say for an answer, Login and be identified.
please keep in mind, not all guest sign ins are interlopers, sometimes if your bored at work, the guest sign in is the one way to just get on the board, some employers record all activity, and some shops everyone knows your screen name. i do agree that the guest's that flame on and leave suck, but the guest handle is still a good thing, some times ya just gotta let off steam cuss:

[redinhelsinki]

The first of these new all electric sims will be arriving in the UK in less than a fortnight. Wonder how the CAA will like them?
Pass the paracetamol...whyme:

[The Pirate]

The first of these new all electric sims will be arriving in the UK in less than a fortnight. Wonder how the CAA will like them?
Pass the paracetamol...whyme:
paracetemol???is this stuff available on this side of the pond? over hear all we got is grain belt(brain melt) or Point Beer??pirate: pirate: pirate: pirate:

[Textech]

The first of these new all electric sims will be arriving in the UK in less than a fortnight. Wonder how the CAA will like them?
Pass the paracetamol...whyme:

The word I get from Broken Arrow, OK. is that they are working beyond expectations, and the FAA likes them. We'll see how Techs like them when thet start breaking. Good luck, and keep us informed.

[RichBer]

:smile1: I have been working on these electric control and motion systems for over a year now. So far, they are very reliable, and low maintenance. After a few bugs were worked out, these systems have been a dream to work on. Software can fix almost anything, and tuning is also very easily controlled by software. No more mess from hyd. oil and they run cool and quite. This has been a long time in coming. So far I'm very pleased with the performance of these electric control and motion systems.</IMG>clap: clap: clap:

[little jake]

What is the max load that the electronic motion system can handle for level D? I'm sick and tired of replacing pumps. Shoot, at our shop we could just as well make it a PM to replace pumps! Why that is, well that is another story.

[Egyptian]

I am not familiar with the Flight Safety system, but I have been told that MOOG has a 6DOF motion base that will hold up 35K. Sounds a bit heavy to me, but that was from a MOOG employee.

I think I have the best of all worlds, my sim has no motion, does have electric control loading and electric shaker seats. Works extremely well, and no oil. For those interested, it is the Rockwell Collins T-BOS (deployable M Model Blackhawk sim) It is close to being deployable now, and I will have no concerns about the seats of the CL. Both have proved to be exremely reliable.

Egyptian

[nastyb]

Are the seats comfortable too?? laugh: